so, he gave them a $20 billion tax bill, through the ceo and the owner into a blog, and took what he would desire. >> he is in order -- he is willing to cross the brink. >> we had a time therefore we business,ss, tough but in the end it was highly profitable. >> why do you think he never did that with you? is part of this of willingness to stand up and call his bluff? >> as a business, you never stand up to the head of a nation. you have to manage your relationship with him or her. you manage it in such a way that you keep out the things that are not your business. you focus on what is important to them. >> is that the advice you would give to president obama right now? >> i think you have got to be very careful to make sure that the people in the ukraine get what they want done for themselves. i think that that is very important. >> obviously a difference has an someone it ep who business relationship and the president of the united states. >> absolutely. businesser it waited and oil politics together, and they should not. >> i have to jump back. i am confused, it sounds like you sa